
Madoka Magica’s “Rebellion” flick sure is a rebellious departure from the deeply contemplative plot of the first two films and an entrance into pervasive exploitation of the series beyond the wildest imagination.
Isolate it, and Madoka Magica “The Rebellion Story” is one awesome movie. Indeed, just pretend that the previous two films don’t exist and there never was a TV series, then this Rebellion film is one kick-ass work of art from SHAFT. But as reality goes, this film is the finale of a trilogy, movie number three of three, and it’s just devastating, and unfortunately not for any good reasons.
As detailed by daysofsummer, everyone will grasp that this third movie is a highly accentuated realization of Madoka. It’s everything that makes a Madoka fanatic a fanatic to begin with encapsulated and exemplified. Yet that’s not quite right, because the one core aspect of Madoka that fell through the cracks and didn’t receive this special treatment was Urobuchi Gen’s original insightful and elaborate tale.
The common terminology to describe what happened is, the third movie “dumbed down” the series.
Playing off fan fetishes came at the expense of intricacy – this film may look fancy, yet SHAFT lost such a wealth of finesse they had within the first two movies, and there are more examples of this than my fingers and toes can keep track of combined.
Starting with one of the initial off-setting scenes, near the film’s opening rounds, the girls each individually kick into their magical form before pronouncing themselves the holy quintet mahou shoujos or something. Aesthetics must carry purpose, this is a featured film, highly anticipated, premiering worldwide – and yet, it was shocking that whole sequences were wasted on this magical transformation sequence.
It wasn’t a typical mahou shoujo transformation, it was just each girl getting maybe a whole minute or two of inane abstract effects just emphasizing her in no particular manner before moving onto the next. It seemed completely without value, but became excusable later on as details surfaced which made it acceptable to think this overdone and excessive SHAFT versus Picasso dance-off was done just to bring out how joyous the girls were in that state of living.
Even if we’re to lower our standards to accept that, in the first two movies, the animation was far more intelligible and crafty – we didn’t have dumb, deliberate “the world is going to end!” foretellings of the future which we literally do have in this third movie.
But of course, that’s just the beginning.
Character development suffers severely in this movie as SHAFT was too centered on moe moments, head tilting, and skirt thigh shots.
Despite being considered “adorable” to some extent, Kyubey never acted like a cutesy animal in the original Madoka series – yet he does so repetitiously in this one. It might be satisfying to some Madoka “fans”, but it tarnishes his character. Likewise, the new witch pet that Mami has seemingly taken in who knows when also acts like some cutesy creature – which wouldn’t be so troubling in its case, if it didn’t occur so frequently. But on that note, the witch’s presence was vapid and felt like a random toss-in.
Why is the witch here to begin with? According to the second film’s after-credit scene, witches shouldn’t even exist, you’d think this third film would make mends of that matter, but don’t start expecting answers to questions, that’s just expecting too much.
Speaking of which, the side-character girl who loves the violinist, and the violinist himself, still incomprehensibly made their worthless appearances in this movie, quite a few times over even. They have no value and played no meaningful roles at all, it could be more easy to overlook this and ignore them if it didn’t add to a stack of other such issues.
More on the matter of Kyubey acting not himself, there was one absolute unforgivable sin that most would likely overlook, yet it runs a stake through this film.
In the original two Madoka movies, Kyubey is by no means an evil entity, he’s merely one who is doing what he needs for sake of his own survival and benefit, if anything, he’s inconsiderate. This film ruins his character – first of all, by pointing him out as a villain as this entirely contradicts the close of the second movie where peace was achieved, and then by actually making him become villainous, because Kyubey was never evil.
In this film, Kyubey seeks to gain control of Madoka because she has the supposed “powers of a God”, there are subtle but ruinously significant changes in his demeanor because of this. A scene comes around in the film where he is blatantly outright trying to deceive Madoka and seemingly turning emotional. The proper Kyubey never deceives, he only discloses a portion of truthful information when answers are requested of him, and he always remains perfectly indifferent.
The original Madoka came as a tale of deep beautiful bonds of friendship – yet SHAFT must be laughing hard as they’ve legitimately gone and made this a yuri anime. Watching the movie, when it reaches what appears to be a resolution, all problems solved, all characters brought together happily, Homura just disregards everything she’s worked tirelessly to achieve to become a disgusting yandere and end the film on a shattered note, relationships all disjointed, and peace that just was a second ago now no more.
Some will say Homura’s sudden insanity is supported by her inability to continue life normally after the memory loss incident, but that’s not a sufficient explanation because it’s never defined how that incident came to be to begin with. Its been said, and to say it again, this third movie disregards everything about the previous two and just begins from its own conjured up point on the timeline.
Kyubey had vital purposes for what he did in the original movies, but Homura’s rebellion is little more than a childish hissyfit, making herself an enemy of mankind for sake of making sure she has control over the victim of her lesbian infatuation.
This movie does a lot of things wrong, it has many great elements to it, but the end-feeling is not of satisfaction. Although some flaws will persist no matter what, the events of this movie do have potential to feel more fitting if a sequel, prequel, or continuation of any kind could come around to clean up the mess and tie all loose ends – but until then, this movie is not one worth watching, not even for Kyoko and her cute seifuku.










Dec 8, 2013 @ 4:09 CST
Indeed, I felt that this film was made for nothing more than to satisfy raging fanfare.
Kyouko and Sayaka pairing is now made more blatantly obvious, Homu and Madoka doesn’t need to be explained. Charlotte was probably added because of the fandom’s insistive pairing of Mami and the Witch (Because they were no other witches right? Gertrud and Elsa Maria didn’t possibly exist).
And finally, Homura going insane is probably due to the speculations of the fans that the wings in the end of the series and the first two movies are witch wings (Due to her becoming insane, as fans repeatedly say), and the ending is probably as daysofsummer said, continuing to milk the franchise, with the grand possibility of ruining it in the process.
I was indeed disappointed, I looked forward to this so much, and now all I got was this.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 7:20 CST
Also, to add to the list of fan pandering revisions, the thing about Kyubey.
As one would already know, Kyubey was viewed as a villain by most fans, so even if Urobuchi didn’t write him as such, to satisfy the fans, they went and did something like this.
This is what happens when a series is pandering rather than doing what it does.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:52 CST
It’s apparent that the whole of the film was written based on fan expectations, ruining many of the deeper elements.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 13:56 CST
Well there certainly was fan expectations and fan service with the yuri elements (some right in your face and forced) and the inclusion of the loli witch. Very good perspective in your review. I still loved the movie.
May 4, 2014 @ 6:54 CST
I feel the same way bro. Really disappointed. They brought my Kyoko to ashes, and now I can never see her in the same light again. :’(
Oct 11, 2014 @ 16:04 CST
This was actually a pretty good anime. It wasn’t dumbed down, it was thoroughly confusing from time to time.
I can’t help but feel you never understood the movie in the first place if you were searching for deeper elements. And the movie did its job of destructing traditional mahou shoujo. Homura going berserk (was actually predictable, but), a vague, somewhat inconclusive ending is a lot more realistic and a fresh alternative to your sparkling happy ending. Disregarding Homura’s initial choice to become a magical girl to protect her obsession, the beloved Madoka (because since she is from the first Universe living in the 2nd, she would be the only magical girl in the 2nd universe to become a witch, instead of a wraith), telling the new Kyubey about the notion of witches & the Law of the Cycle was her mistake.
She still would’ve turned to a witch but then saved by Godaka. But she didn’t wanna exist like that with Madoka, so i guess thats a fate worse than this now.
Though i agree with turning the bonds between the girls into yuri fanservice being a annoying.
But, a little yandere from time to time doesn’t really kill this movie. I kinda like it a lot.
Also everything not making sense in the beginning such as cutesy Kyubey,
to pet Bebe, & conniving Kyubey was the point. They are all functioning,
living, and adapting by the new Law of the Cycle.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 5:05 CST
I’ve seen people say that it was great. While i’ve seen others that didn’t liked it just as you did. But was it really that bad ?
I don’t really think the Madoka series was that awesome or epic as most say. It’s a great series but not worth of all that praise. So is this movie worse ?
I never bothered reading reactions about the movie and completely avoided spoilers and it’s not showing in my country, so I probably wont figure out what to say about it until the blu-ray release. But I guess I can already see myself getting disappointed.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 8:57 CST
It is indeed a good animation movie.Excels in this century,with the best art,movements,music,….all the best you can imagine in this animation.That is definately worth watching.
But somehow I admit with Seven,that this is not a good plot for Madoka,a bit too awkward and not reasonable.
BTW,It is you to decide it is good or bad.
And honestly,I want to watch the movie a second time.And I want
to collect it as a part of my collections.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 8:15 CST
Regardless, I hope you try watching Rebellion again.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 10:13 CST
It’s called a setting reset. Did the Matrix need a sequel? or Highlander?
There’s money to be made – so screw the plot.
So you get a tale of Madoka going from amnesia to amnesia, because she is not supposed to actually do something – she just has to be there.
Like all the other characters that were just there as fanservice and not for narrative reasons. Was the fight between Homura and Mami necessary?
Did it change anything? Was the dreamworld necessary? Haven’t we all seen that one done better in countless Star Trek episodes? Homura becomes a witch – until she doesn’t. There is nothing original, not even clever, here. The movie is just treading water.
And then the final asspull – Homura steals Madoka’s power and rewrites the universe, making Madoka a prisoner in it…because magic.
Could she do that in the original series? Why didn’t she steal Kyubey’s powers? She can steal Madoka’s power (godlike) but she can’t steal Kyubey’s (not godlike) ?
Amnesia-not Amnesia-Amnesia. Urobuchi you a genius. What a plot.
Like the bard said: it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing. Everything back to square one – as if the series never happened. Sayaka is back, Mami is back, Madoka is back -
no consequences, no progress just a good old setting reset.
There will be more Madoka. You can bet on it.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:49 CST
“There’s money to be made – so screw the plot.”
Thanks for telling us things we already know. This doesn’t excuse the quality of the film.
“There will be more Madoka. You can bet on it.”
And hopefully they’re not as terrible as this.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 14:54 CST
You’re welcome.
If by Quality you mean good storytelling – that is no longer needed.
The achievements of the show had to be thrown out of the window once Otaku Culture got its greasy paws on it.
Story is not important – fetishizing characters is. So bring them all back, even the dead ones, and have them do…something. The Hivemind will lap up anything as long as it’s correctly labeled.
As for the future of the franchise – you’re begging to be dissapointed. Where can the story go from here ?
The girls can’t remember who they are, eventually they will, maybe through an intrigue by Kyubey, maybe somebody dies and comes back, maybe there’s a beach episode.
When they find out they’ll either rejoin or clash with Homura – probably clash and then rejoin. The most exceptional Magical Girl show becomes the most generic one. So many stories to tell…
I think we both enjoyed the original series and I’m totally d’accord with you that the movie is crap – flashy crap – but don’t expect to see any improvment from the now franchise. The only thing you’ll see is Shaft milking their cash cow.
Feb 12, 2014 @ 17:34 CST
Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute, I think you forgot that the success of Madoka is taking generic thing of magical girls, and give it an interesting twist, and in every magical girl there are so many rewrite of the Universe and amnesia.
The reason why Homura could steal the magic from Madoka is because she was transformin in something more stronger than a witch, even without the power of Madoka, in fact, she steal the power of Madoka but not for herself, she did it so Madoka would be imprisioned in her human body.
And it was awsome, you could see all the magical girls fighting like a normal team, and I dont see why it is a bad thing to satisfy the fans, I mean, you wouldnt be happy if your favorite serie turn out like you hope (sorry for my awfull english)
Dec 9, 2013 @ 19:50 CST
“Like all the other characters that were just there as fanservice and not for narrative reasons. Was the fight between Homura and Mami necessary?”
Probably not, but you gotta admit, it was epic.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 20:00 CST
That fight was probably the most memorable part of the movie and it had nothing to do with the story, goes to show how good the story was (not very).
Dec 10, 2013 @ 14:34 CST
I admit that
1. Homura versus Walpurgisnacht was epic.
2. Kyoko’s final sacrifice was epic.
3. Homu-Mami was well-animated filler.
A fight over a piece of cheese is rather comical than epic.
Peace
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:00 CST
It was confirmed not too long ago that they would continue this series. But I would like to know your opinions, would you continue watching it and see whether it becomes better?
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:47 CST
It doesn’t benefit anything if they continue the series if it were to only turnout as failed as this.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 17:45 CST
More madoka will always be welcome if they mange to tie everything together
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:23 CST
I believe this particular movie is one that should be rewatched in order to be better appreciated. I for one saw this movie and to be honest, I had somewhat mixed feelings. On one side, I felt the story to be interesting and fresh but on the other side, I felt they did not establish a link that was strong enough. Overall, I found this movie to be somewhat decent, not as good as the original but nowhere as bad as some people said in comparison to EVA 3 (heck even I thought Eva 3 wasn’t too bad)
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:25 CST
I would also want to ask whether you guys would watch any continuation to hopefully understand this movie better. There is the fear of milking, but if they pull it off properly, I see no reason complaining
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:46 CST
You see no reason complaining because you’re seemingly short-sighted. Just what does “pull it off properly” mean? Does that include fixing Kyubey’s ruined personality traits?
Dec 8, 2013 @ 14:09 CST
I understand how you feel…Do you think they were trying to show Kyubey as evil in the movie or just as the alien outsider seeking to understand and harness power for the universe…however taking a step further. To me, I thought something was a miss when Homura was explaining everything to Kyubey at the end of the series…how he mentions that the “witch” transformation was such a better way to collect energy and the concept of Madoka that is really only real to Homura.
I have to watch the film again of course, but seeing all the incubators trying to diagnose these situations, I was not surprised when they tried something that would seem evil to us, but in their minds logical for the universe.
Who knows, maybe the changes in the universe by Madoka or the “mental disorder” of emotions slightly crept into the species? Or perhaps as you state they simply ruined the traits of a character to coincide with the audiences perception? Since the universe was remade, I don’t know how the kyubey species would react with new knowledge…and how to harness this.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 17:33 CST
Exactly what I was thinking, I for one perceived kyubey as not of evil but simply being overly curious. I also feel that this movie is a throw back to urobutcher’s previous work saya no uta. Also what I meant seven when I said pull it of properly meant to tie up all loose strings and establish a better link to show the cause and effect of the third movie. Which was why like you said, a continuation will help people appreciate it further
Dec 8, 2013 @ 17:46 CST
I agree with everything you guys said, make no mistake, it’s just that you have to recognize, and you probably do, that there are some issues with this film, which even if there were a continuation, would still persist.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 11:32 CST
This is a very nice and well written review. Great Job.
Also, I have not seen the film, but I must say if everything written above is true then I am deeply disappointed. Kyubey’s motives and mannerisms was one of the most intriguing things about thee show to me and it appears they just threw it all away.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 14:12 CST
That’s a cute board, I wish I could have gotten one :( – Already these and other exclusives have surfaced on ebay for high price tags.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 14:12 CST
After watching this movie on Friday night, I still have difficulty trying to connect this to the original series. Seeing Homura defeating Kyubey only to take its place in the end could only be explain by breaking the yuri meter, as there was enough time/reality loops in these two hours to prevent any confimration as which/who has the control of the true timeline. This is like learning about of the world renowed carpenter, only to learn there are lost/banned/forgotten books about him with information that is different or contradict what you have been told. Do I keep trying to connect this film to the original series, or pretend this never existed (but still buy the Blu-Ray when it comes out)?
At the minimum though, SHAFT needs to just take the blessings they received from Goddess Madoka and Prophet Homura and move on to creating something else.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:14 CST
There’s been a general SHAFT decline with this and Monogatari S2. I think SHAFT as a whole is going down.
Dec 10, 2013 @ 10:12 CST
Shaft always seemed to have inconsistent show quality to me. The monogatari series was explosive pre S2, and obviously there’s Madoka (the good Madoka) but what else is there? It’s possible I’m just sadly ignorant of what else they’ve done, but I’m hard pressed to think of anything else that was of excellence.
Sasami-san was garbage. Hidamari Sketch was cute, and experimental, and I like it but it’s not top-tier outside of those categories. Pani Poni Dash was boring. Popotan was I-don’t-know-what-the-hell. and their joint work with gainax, maharomatic, isn’t something I’d be willing to defend.
So I’m not so sure their declining as much as their returning to the status quo. They caught lightning in a bottle and didn’t know what to do with it.
Dec 10, 2013 @ 10:36 CST
I’m agreeing with you that they were actually always variable, however, they’ve recently been on a complete decline.
I say their absolute finest work is Natsu no Arashi.
Dec 10, 2013 @ 11:23 CST
Now that’s something I’ve never heard of. I’ll check it out.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:04 CST
“Homura’s rebellion is little more than a childish hissyfit, making herself an enemy of mankind for sake of making sure she has control over the victim of her lesbian infatuation.”
I think Homura rebellion is mostly motivated by the conversation between her and Madoka at the hill, where Madoka said that she dont want to apart with her friend and family, that Homura takes as the “real” wish that Madoka really wants.
Homura said that those event after the world rebuild by Madoka’s wish is just like the nightmare for her, where nobody recognize Madoka and noone understand her feeling since they dont know about Madoka and she also said that she feel guilty that she didn’t stop Madoka from making a wish.
But those moment on the hill pretty much got disconnected from the moment of Homura’s rebellion and also the animation seems to make Homura look totally villain that’s probably the reason that makes people think she just gone mad.
As for Nagisa, her role is suppose to be the fake villain and she seems to be most suitable for being misunderstand as the mastermind since:
-She is the one who had killed Mami cruelly but now she ironically is the one who keep comforting Mami.
-She is the only one who didn’t appear in thier group in the real world.
-Her outer appearance is suspicious since she is neither Magical Girl nor Nightmare nor Maju.
but the animation seems to never foreshadow or misleading people to make Charlotte looks like the mastermind.
As for Kyubey motivaion, they should just give the excuse like collecting energy from Maju is not enough to save the universe so he have to find another more reliable source.
So he went on a lot of trouble to do these experiment on Homura since they thinks that collecting energy from witch is more efficient and is the only to save universe from dying.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:13 CST
Okay, then if the animation is made to portray Homura as if “she just gone mad”, but she didn’t, then that is a flaw of the animation. So even if you say that, this just introduces a separate issue of the film that is even worse than just suggesting Homura gone mad.
“her role is suppose to be the fake villain”
That doesn’t suffice for how poorly she was implemented within the movie.
Likewise, even with what you say about Kyubey, that doesn’t suffice for how poorly his character was used in the movie.
Feb 12, 2014 @ 17:40 CST
But Kyubey dosnt have other objective than collecting energy, He doesnt care to conquer the world or giving pain to others beings, he just collect energy, and if they can collect energy more efficiently, they will find the way to do it, thats how a overrational mind act (sorry for the english)
Feb 12, 2014 @ 17:42 CST
Exactyl, Im glad other people see those things
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:19 CST
So i have just came back from watching the movie, at first i was a bit confused about the story (should have rewatch the series before this, the ‘Law of Cycle’ thingy keep confusing me), then i decided to download the cam-rip to rewatch the last part again + reading some analysis from r/anime. Now the whole movie make a lot of sense to me, i will go as far as say that this movie is on par or even better than the original.
Beside enjoyment, one lesson i learn from this is to always rewatch the prequel before watching the sequel, especially Shaft anime, they are never easy to fully understand.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:22 CST
It would be nice if you actually explained why you “go as far as say that this movie is on par or even better than the original.” Especially as it’s starkly inferior to the rest of us.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:38 CST
“It would be nice if you actually explained why you “go as far as say that this movie is on par or even better than the original.” ”
It’s a personal taste matter, to me, the movie has the same interesting/deep story, but better direction/art/animation (and bonus yuri).
As for why, if you don’t mind, i can link you to the r/anime thread i was talking about (wall of text there) since i’m no good at explaining thing (blame my limited English), it might clear up some things for you.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:22 CST
“So i have just came back from watching the movie, at first i was a bit confused about the story (should have rewatch the series before this, the ‘Law of Cycle’ thingy keep confusing me), then i decided to download the cam-rip to rewatch the last part again + reading some analysis from r/anime”
If you needed some analysis and explanations to get what transpired, I think that’s already a case of poor presentation, and would definitely be not a way to say that this movie is good.
Dec 8, 2013 @ 23:27 CST
“should have rewatch the series before this, the ‘Law of Cycle’ thingy keep confusing me”
That’s the reason why i was confused, and the fact that English is not my native language so i might not be able to read subtitle fast enough in long sentence and ended up missing some important details. Since then i have read on r/anime about ‘Law of Cycle’ and i can pause while watching cam-rip, thing started to make sense to me.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 0:07 CST
It’s like saying “You have to read the VN/LN/Manga to understand the anime”.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 0:13 CST
So your point is “The movie suck because of viewer’s fault” ?
Dec 9, 2013 @ 0:20 CST
What i am trying to say here is that it is MY fault that i was unable to understand the movie fully, “Law of cycles” have already been mentioned in the series but i forgot it and English is MY problem. Is my point that hard to understand ?
Dec 9, 2013 @ 0:35 CST
The fact that it wasn’t even presented in a way that everyone would understand it is a number one way of showing that indeed, the presentation was very poor.
Like I said before, if you needed to read explanations instead of the show itself telling you through its showing, then that alone proves it.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 1:00 CST
“The fact that it wasn’t even presented in a way that everyone would understand it is a number one way of showing that indeed, the presentation was very poor.”
So by that definition of yours, Eve, Fate/Zero also have a very poor presentation since i know there’re peoples who are also confused about them.
There’s almost no way that a work with a deep story could be able to be understood by everyone, for example, the majority of best selling manga these days are easy-to-understand shounen (Naruto, One Piece, AoT) because most people wouldn’t understand complex story and they might get bore of them. There are of course special cases when popular work is enjoyed by both normal viewers and critics, but the trend seem to be shallow work = higher chance of good sale.
“Like I said before, if you needed to read explanations instead of the show itself telling you through its showing, then that alone proves it.”
…
Let’s just leave it as that…
Dec 9, 2013 @ 1:17 CST
“So by that definition of yours, Eve, Fate/Zero also have a very poor presentation since i know there’re peoples who are also confused about them.”
Hello Mr. Assuming, where might we have our ideas taken from nowhere?
I don’t know how what I said gave you that Idea. Ever.
I was saying that if it isn’t presented in the anime for the viewers to understand, then goddamn, it’s poorly presented. The shows you mentioned already had everything in them for people to understand it. One didn’t need to read a frickin’ book. The ones who wouldn’t probably weren’t just paying attention, which is their fault.
The Law of Cycles? Was it even put as something relevant in the movie? Or was it just mentioned two or three times just to say something?
Watching the movie, it’s definitely the latter, and that’s why it’s poorly presented if that’s all what it took to make the movie an intricate tale.
There’s a difference between something deep, and something that is just having a meaning forced into them.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 15:21 CST
“The Law of Cycles? Was it even put as something relevant in the movie? Or was it just mentioned two or three times just to say something?
Watching the movie, it’s definitely the latter”
Yup, i suggest you to rewatch the movie and the series again. It’s either you have completely ignored a very important plot point or we have watched different show.
Fyi, Law of Cycles is the the process in which magical girl disappear instead of turning into witches (as described by Mami). Madoka turning into God so that she could maintain that process, without it, magical girls will still gonna turn into witch when their despair reach the peak. That’s why Madoka came to Homura when she was about to turn into witch to save Homura, in other word, to enforce the Law of Cycles (and ended losing her memories, forgetting her mission).
Dec 9, 2013 @ 16:06 CST
I already knew what it was, no need to remind me.
Nonetheless, that was already a secondary element, it wasn’t really something as being a core element of the film. (Or more accurately, wasn’t shown as relevant as it should, if you are saying this would have had a great effect on the film).
And I don’t see how that excuses the poor presentation of the film.
Plus, that being not understood isn’t the reason why this movie turned out bad. A large part is my first comment on this very article, and also the fact that they’re clearly only milking the franchise now, as the articles said.
If you can’t understand that, we have nothing more to discuss here.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 16:24 CST
“If you can’t understand that, we have nothing more to discuss here.”
Ohhh i feel exactly the same.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 16:37 CST
You haven’t even proved how knowing the Law of Cycles affects the film and suddenly turns it into something positive. Because this movie is definitely not “on par or even better than the original.” You have said nothing to prove otherwise, just some rants to justify the poorly presented mess (which obviously wasn’t) that happened.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 19:54 CST
“You haven’t even proved how knowing the Law of Cycles affects the film and suddenly turns it into something positive.”
Man, do I have to explain every single thing to you ? Do you even read my post ?
Here i thought i was discussing this with you in a civilized manner and you call it a ‘rant’…
That’s it, i give up, no matter how many times i have tried to explain things to you (now and in the past), you keep ignoring my point (or just don’t get it) and bringing up the same argument again.
This is the last time i reply to you, as i’m really tired of this, it was a pleasure ‘discussing’ with you.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 19:58 CST
From his perspective, it’s as if you didn’t read his comments either. There isn’t any point for further discussion, both of you should stop replying. I don’t know why gargamesh even replied again to begin with.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 6:07 CST
Kyubey’s characterization in the movie is consistent with the show. He seeks to control Madokami because he wants to return to the witch system, as it’s more energy efficient. Kyubey doesn’t deceive anyone in the movie, the Incubators merely set up a science experiment in order to test a phenomenon that, in the new Madokami universe, had been unexplainable until Homura told them. This portrayal isn’t “evil”, simply just as self-serving as he was originally in the series. Kyubey’s choices have always been made on a utilitarian scale of what will provide the most entropy reversing energy and this experiment reflects that.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 9:01 CST
Kyubey was calling out to Madoka to manipulate her to use her powers for his own devious purposes, telling her to save her friend when he very well knew Madoka’s actions would ultimately not save her.
This is deception, deception is defined as “to deceive”, and deceive is defined as :
“(of a person) cause (someone) to believe something that is not true, typically in order to gain some personal advantage.”
The definition correlates perfectly with Kyubey’s actions. If you don’t view deception as evil, I feel bad for you.
Now if you would have made the effort to properly comprehend the review and actually contemplate on what it said, you could have also went further after figuring this out and compared back to the original two movies where Kyubey deceived no one, he merely offered information as requested of him, which just so happened to lead to negative consequences as result of the assorted magical girls’ own twisted attributes and whatnot.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 15:36 CST
“Madoka’s actions would ultimately not save her.”
No Madoka can save Homura using the Law of Cycles power (aka her god power), however at the cost of being manipulated by Incubator afterward. Hence Homura tried to complete the witch transformation process before Madoka could use her power (Law of Cycles must be enforce before magical girl turning into witch). Kyubey was telling the truth, he just didn’t tell Madoka the consequence of her returning to her true self inside the Incubator’s isolated field since no one asked him for that.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 15:40 CST
And what do you think would happen when Madoka’s controlled by Kyubey? Sunshine would rain down upon the city?
The ultimate outcome of Madoka following Kyubey’s instigation was negative yet he tried to convince her despite knowing this himself. Maybe you should be the one rewatching the movie over again, because you spent too much time reading about it instead, you seem not to realize that Kyubey’s explicitly crying out in such a manner that makes it seem he’s desperate, and he’s trying to get Madoka in the same vein of desperation and give her a feeling of guilt.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 15:58 CST
And do you think Kyubey think of him controlling Madoka as a negative thing ? Human moral rule does not apply to him, i don’t think he himself considered what he’s doing ‘deceiving’, he tried to control her to erase the Law of Cycles in order to bring back the witch system and start collecting energy like what he did back in the old world. It’s the same ‘Human is just chicken’ mindset he has in the TV series.
This is mostly my own interpretation after rewatch the last part of the movie, not just from reading.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 16:13 CST
“Human moral rule does not apply to him, i don’t think he himself considered what he’s doing ‘deceiving’, he tried to control her to erase the Law of Cycles in order to bring back the witch system and start collecting energy like what he did back in the old world. It’s the same ‘Human is just chicken’ mindset he has in the TV series.”
Problem is, he was shown in the movie as definitely deceiving, sure Urobuchi meant him as an emotionless businessman, but that clearly wasn’t shown there which contradicts his personality.
Dec 9, 2013 @ 19:37 CST
It doesn’t matter what you’re assuming he thinks of himself, the movie did not portray this.
“This is mostly my own interpretation after rewatch the last part of the movie, not just from reading.”
Your own interpretation is probably sullied by everything you’ve read, it’s not even your own interpretation, it’s just you trying to piece together things as they happened according to what you read.
I feel the point I’m making could not be any more obvious, if you disagree, then don’t bother replying to me, cause I’m not interested in discussing this any further since you’re obviously not going to agree.
Dec 10, 2013 @ 11:30 CST
Forgive me just kinda intruding upon the conversation (though perhaps it’s over now) but it was really interesting to me.
Personally, I also don’t see how Kyubey’s actions conflicted with his established personality in the show. Bringing it down to specifics, you say, Seven, that Kyubey was deliberately trying to decieve Madoka with the ultimate goal of trying to control and/or destroy her in order to get witches back. It may be for the purpose of warding off entropy more efficiently, but it’s underdoubtedly deceptive and therefore, to some extent at least, evil.
You say this contradicts Kyubey’s self-proclaimed amoral attitude (as opposed to immoral), but how is his action here any different from the beginning of the show? In the very first episode Kyubey calls out to Madoka telepathically to come and save him from Homura, an action clearly played off as if he needed Madoka. He even layed there panting and wheezing like he was just a helpless little creature while Madoka carried him away. But we know that’s not true later in the series, the damn creature was never in any danger at all (as he could be shot to pieces and come back just fine) and clearly manipulated and deceived Madoka for his gain. How is that so different from what he does in this movie?
Dec 10, 2013 @ 12:12 CST
Thanks for bringing that up, points based on actual events and presentation of the series are just what I hoping for.
You may have a point, in which case, what I can say is that Rebellion still cast Kyubey as a sort of criminal entity. He was pointed out as the culprit of everything. He was explicitly made evil.
In the original two movies, he was not the culprit of anything, just an instigator.
That leaves an inherent different difference in the context of the presentation of their actions as well. Not to mention, Kyubey may not have been in any real danger, but why would he let Homura kill him regardless? Secondly, he asked Madoka to help him… but with what? Help save him, or help by becoming a mahou shoujo for him?
Dec 11, 2013 @ 11:21 CST
Gonna have to start off by apologizing again for my noob-ness, am I wrong or am I not able to reply to your last post? Wasn’t sure where else to comment. Oh, I’m the “Anonymous” talking about Kyubey’s actions by the way. Decided to give myself a name.
I’m still not sure what explicitly made him evil in Rebellion as opposed to the TV show. In the movie he was simply exploring “new” ways of fighting entropy. If the hypothesis suggested by Homura is true, then trying to capture and control Madoka is only logical. He was portrayed as a “culprit” by Homura because clearly Kyubey’s actions were hurtful towards her regardless of of his intent. I’ll certainly admit Kyubey was much more clearly the antagonist to Homura’s protagonist in this plot, but that doesn’t change his character.
With regard to your questions about the first episode, he still manipulated the situation and clearly tried to present himself in a sympathetic way to Madoka. “Death” was 100% inconsequential to Kyubey, but he plays it off like and Mami, Madoka, and Sayaka save his life. In the original dialogue, Kyubey calls out “Madoka! Tasukete!” (If you know Japanese then my bad, but I’ll assume you don’t haha). Tasukete is translated as “Help!” but its use in Japanese is clearly more “save me! I’m in trouble!” rather than “Help me pick this up” or “help me fight entropy by becoming a magical girl.”
Dec 11, 2013 @ 11:38 CST
He doesn’t have to go explicitly say “fight entropy by becoming a magical girl”, “save me! I’m in trouble!” fits all the same. The point ultimately is that one scene plays out more ambiguous, and a little different than the Rebellion scene. Part of a character is how they are perceived by other characters.
It’s not as if that’s the sole evidence behind Kyubey’s change either, besides that he’s marked as a culprit, his actions were more explicitly and intentionally harmful, whereas in the original movies, he was only enabling it.
Dec 11, 2013 @ 22:46 CST
I’d have to disagree that it fits all the same. He was specifically pretending to be in danger so that Madoka would come feel a need to save him. And he did this for the sole purpose of pushing Madoka to become a magical girl so that she could kill some witches maybe then drown in despair and become a witch who would kill countless people considering how powerful she’d be. How is that not as explictly harmful? Especially considering he did so by trying to deceive her.
I do agree that his role was different. Madoka the TV show (I haven’t actually seen the first two movies, do you think they’d make me see it differently?) didn’t really have a straight antagonist, it just wasn’t that kind of story. Rebellion’s story did have two characters on opposing sides, Homura on one and Kyubey on the other, which is why i think he seems to come off as the “culprit” simply because he is revealed to be the cause the action that the protagonist is against. But that doesn’t make his actions out-of-character or make him any more or less evil. He hasn’t “hurt” Homura, Homura was going to die via the Law of Cycles, and he logically thought Homura would be the best candidate to try and observe this “Law”, and to hopefully contain it, so as to more efficiently save the universe. His motivations and intentions seem to all be exactly the same as the original series to me.
Feb 12, 2014 @ 17:48 CST
But Kyubey trick Kyoko when he say that he didnt know if it was a possiblity for turning Sayaka to normal, cause when she dies, Homura ask him if there was a chance of saving Sayaka, and he admit that Sayaka coulndt be saved, and he didnt stop Kyoko cause without her, Madoka would nt have a choice but to make a contract with him
He is not evil cause he doesnt have emotions
Dec 10, 2013 @ 9:52 CST
I’d argue that the blatant shoujo transformation scenes coupled with the general awkwardness of how they dealt with the “nightmares” in the first act weren’t just garbage they threw in to pander to the masses. Rather, it was something they did deliberately to make you feel uncomfortable, like something wasn’t right with what you were seeing. It puts you in Homura’s shoes.
And the witch being present when witches shouldn’t exist was indeed a plot point of the movie. It isn’t supposed to be right and it gives Homura an anchor to start really investigating the nature of her situation. It’s a lead. To me it felt like it was all set up so that you’d start out confused by a world you weren’t expecting, that shouldn’t exist at all, and as Homura gained clarity so did you.
If we look at it like that, Kyubey was acting all cutesy for similar reasons. Specifically because it felt wrong.
That being said, I definitely agree that they mis-characterized him. Like I kinda buy that they want to recreate the witch system, and they’d need to stop Madoka to do it, but to sell that we’d need to clearly identify the issues with the wraith system beforehand and that just wasn’t there. Not knowing the real motive and logic behind the actions, combined with some of his dialogue, made him feel like a chariacature.
And while this was definitely the last of three movies, it’s (perhaps unfortunately) not the end of the story. Urobochi claimed in an interview that there are plans for an upcoming two-cours anime continuation.
So we were expecting an actual conclusion where there was none. Which is kind of uncool that they keep milking it, and I certainly don’t believe knowing this information absolves them of anything, but at least it puts the end of the film into perspective.
Dec 11, 2013 @ 11:54 CST
Mr Urobuchi is just lucky. Really huge budgets are thrown at his laughably “serious” stories.
He’s slipping now, though. The fan service in “Suisei no Gargantia” shows that the people backing him are beginning to realize that they need something other than the tag “created by Gen Urobuchi” to keep the fans invested in his pointlessly depressing bore-fests.
Explains the alleged yuri-vibes permeating from this movie… Tabun…
More Madoka movies in the future, ay? Psycho Pass season 2 in the works, huh?
Mmmm: Money wa Ii desu
Dec 19, 2013 @ 20:00 CST
Homura was never mentally stable. Remember she almost killed Sayaka in the TV series just because?
I believe you don’t truly understands this movie, maybe a rewatch of both the series and 3rd movie will help you understand the elements you missed.
Dec 19, 2013 @ 20:12 CST
If that’s all you have to say, I believe you didn’t truly understands this article, maybe a reread of it and the original two movies’ reviews will help you understand the text you didn’t comprehend the first time.
And what poor evidence:
“Homura was never mentally stable. Remember she almost killed Sayaka in the TV series just because?”
Just because? Or just because she’s already been through the same scenario a hundred times and realizes she can go back in time again and it doesn’t matter?
Dec 27, 2013 @ 11:22 CST
homura, inclusive in the serie has been obsessed with madoka
Dec 20, 2013 @ 1:50 CST
I agree with every word. It had to be said. The film was immensely disappointing and I left the theatre feeling quite disgusted.
Dec 20, 2013 @ 2:08 CST
“yet SHAFT must be laughing hard as they’ve legitimately gone and made this a yuri anime.”
Not really. Homura and Madoka’s relationship has as much romantic ambiguity as ever, Mami and Nagisa have more a mother/daughter or big sister/little sister vibe and the Sayaka/Kyouko stuff, while definitely pandered out at the expense of proper narrative cohesion, is still far from definitive, especially when Sayaka cries at the end when she sees Hitomi and Kyousuke together.
Surprised you didn’t mention the “power of love” deus ex machina in this segment though that somehow gave Homura the ability to replace Madoka with no other explanation. Urobuchi went out of his way to mock the “power of love” and “the power of friendship” in the original series, probably most notably during episode 9, so it’s a shame to see him use it seriously here.
Dec 27, 2013 @ 11:21 CST
not is the power of love, its the power of obssesion
Jan 2, 2014 @ 23:39 CST
Agreed and its such a shame. I’ve tried rewatching it several times to see if I could gain more appreciation on the movie but alas no such success. It just feels like a Take That to the audience as Urobuchi tries to put everything the otaku fandom wants and then messing Homura just for drama.
The first half felt like pandering and I actually felt bored waiting for some plot to develop while annoyed at Charlotte’s and Kyubey’s antics. It was too obvious that only Homura or Gretchen could be the cause that I wanted her to admit it and get on more interesting things.
Mami vs Homura was fun but as you said inconsequential and Sayaka’s know it all-ness rubbed on me the wrong way (I read Shinbo was the main culprit).
The second half was somewhat decent although it still felt like Kyubey was holding the idiot ball and hated him getting all emotional. Also he seemed less omnipresent and smart than in the series…very underwhelming. Also…Homura just took the whole Madoka series to come to accept Madoka’s fate and now just because of some talk with an amnesiac Madoka she resolves to go yandere? It just seems like an excuse to go villain rather than genuine character development.
And the end…a here we go again with promises of a second season.
I’m still hoping they manage to fix this in the next season.
Jan 14, 2014 @ 16:04 CST
Completely disagree. Or maybe, it’s because I love that it’s Yuri now, LOL.If you actually bother to look p the topic, Homura’s actions and motivations fit her character perfectly, Parrels to Lucifer and Mara from Buddhism are everywhere.
Jan 19, 2014 @ 20:30 CST
Thank you! Finally someone agree with me about this movie! I’m especially happy that reviewer seen how big plot hole Kyubey’s behavior was. TV series had few minor nitpicks, but this movie saldy have a lot of big plot holes. I will go back to Kyubey in a moment but first consider that Madokami was omnipresent and omniscient – she seen all universes past, present and future, and she was everywhere at once. So there was no way that she wouldn’t know what Homura would pull off. There is no logical possibility that she didn’t know what was going to happen to her. Yet, authors conveniently forgotten about Madokami’s god like powers, for a sake of a plot. That’s plot hole number one. Two: love rewriting the universe. This whole soul gems being corrupted by love, and love itself being more powerful than hope and despair, put together is ridiculous ass pull! It was never even hinted that it’s even possible! What’s more how this never happened before? You telling me that in thousand of years in which Kyubey was making contracts no Magical Girl ever loved someone? How about Sayaka’s “Love me do”? How about Homura herself? Did she never loved Madoka before “Rebellion’s” finale? How about all those times when she was trying to save Kaname from Walpurgis, and she always failed, where was her power of love back then? Or how about Homura transforming into a witch in “Rebellion” – she didn’t loved Madoka back then? So authors implied that Homura’s love was so seemingly powerful that it could overthrown a goddess and rewrite entire universe, but it wasn’t even powerful enough to save Madoka from Walpurgis, which was city level buster witch at best? Yes, I believe in this in this and pigs can fly! What’s more, how Kyubey – you know a person who created this whole system in the first place – doesn’t know that love is seemingly more powerful than hope and despair put together? Three: Kyubey’s behavior. This movie made entire concept of contracts silly and pointless. If Incubators didn’t have moral qualms about kidnapping, imprisoning and experimenting on people, then why make contracts in the first place? It’s seems like huge waste of time and resources. I thought that Incubators were rational and logical… apparently not. If they are willing and able to experiment on Homura and they want to control Madokami then why don’t conquer the Earth, put all people into “dream world” and harvest them for energy, like machines from “Matrix”? Sorry, guys, either Incubators are so immoral that they would experiment on humans and they want to control them, OR they consider humankind as a sentient species and they want to – in a way – treat us fairly, that’s why contracts were invented. If they don’t care about any kind of morality then – as emotionless and logical beings – they should take what they want by force and don’t bother with contracts at all. But if they have some moral restraints – like they did in TV series – then they shouldn’t experiment on Homura, or want to control Madoka. Sorry, guys but you can’t have a cake and eat it too – is one way or another. You can say that Kyubey was so desperate to recreate witch world that he wouldn’t care about moraility. OK, firstly entropy won’t happen in billions of years so I don’t see a ticking clock and reasons for desperation. Secondly: when, in TV series, Kyubey learned that Madoka have super-duper magical potential, and she could provide Incubators with all energy they need, thit they forced Madoka to make contract or imprison, or even threaten her? NO, he didn’t! So, sorry, but I don’t buy into this Kyubey’s desperation. Let’s continue: if Incubators can easily captured Homura, then why they never did it in TV series, when she was killing Kyubey over and over again, preventing him from making contract with Madoka? What’s else: Kyubey was the one who granted Madoka’s wish in the first place, so why now he want to undo it? It’s highly illogical. If he knew – and he must had knew – what will happen in consequence of Madoka’s wish, and he knew that he would want to undo it, then he shouldn’t grant this wish in the first place! Again this is very illogical. And that’s why “Rebellion” make no sense.
But what’s The main thing I didn’t like about this movie was the fact that – both thematically and narratively – it was a betrayal of original series. Think about it for a moment… TV series was critical of heroism: it showed that you can’t change the world, because you can’t change human nature – that’s why tragedy and despair will never go away, and that’s why monsters from the Id – Witches or Wraiths – will never disappear. BUT at the same time PMMM series didn’t entirely dismissed notion of heroism – it just said that meaning of heroism should be: “focusing on the one thing that means to you the most, and protecting it until the very end”. So what “Rebellion” does? It says that protecting this precious thing can turn you into the devil! It’s not only mean-spirited but it’s completely contradicts, message of original series. This same can be said about message of hope, that was presented at the end of episode 12 – now it doesn’t mean a damn thing because ending of “Rebellion” made Madoka’s sacrifice completely meaningless… And that’s why ending of “Rebellion” it’s not a good ending; you can argue that everyone is alive and “happy” but it’s forced and artificial happiness – they all are living dolls in Homura’s dollhouse.
Also all character arcs, character development and stories are now completely meaningless: Sayaka Miki and her tragedy – meaningless, since she is alive and well again, Madoka’s growing up – meaningless, Homura arc – meaningless, since she is again creepy stocker, again. So, we are going back to square one. How is this a good thing? If nothing can be achieved in a story, if everything keeps being overturned, then the story becomes meaningless. And that’s what I think about this series right now: it’s meaningless. :(
Jan 19, 2014 @ 20:56 CST
You’d think this would all be obvious to everyone. It’s very evident this third movie was made up on the spot to cash in on the fame of the original.
Feb 24, 2014 @ 23:26 CST
The Movie should have never been made! as far as I’m concerned it doesn’t exist
Mar 17, 2014 @ 0:50 CST
Gotta admit this was completely spot on, this is my exact feeling towards the movie.
The problem is not kyubey itself, the problem here on this parody of a sequel is that it’s all about fanservice, the whole plot is completely superfluous, it completely throws aside everything that made madoka magica a great series amongst the magical girl genre, waters it down with vapid fills about moeness, lesbian coulpings (I’m not saying it in an homphobic way, but rather as an out of place thing) and overly-ridiculous
transformation scenes; whick in fact makes me think more of a sailor moon movie.
And as some of you have quoted here, there’s no real point into giving this already screwed up series any kind of continuity, since I doubt they can manage to tie all this meaningless thing together and to make any sense at all.
They done screw it up big time, so it’s better to put this series down to rest in the graveyard and move on.
Mar 17, 2014 @ 11:16 CST
I loved this movie- It was a good ending.
The reason for all the moe and cuteness, etc. was because it was in Homura’s labrynth not the real world. It was the ideal perfect world that Homura wanted to live in, that was filled with happiness, etc.
Mar 22, 2014 @ 18:36 CST
For all those people who say Rebellion betrays the original series…
THAT’S HOW YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL. The entire movie is a troll, and a damn good one.
Mar 22, 2014 @ 18:40 CST
It’s supposed to be a crappy movie, makes sense.
Mar 29, 2014 @ 17:34 CST
It’s funny, actually. You say the movie “dumbed down” the series, yet you can’t seem to understand why the movie’s witch exists.
“I wish to destroy all wishes before they are born.” Sound familiar?
It’s not dumbing down. Quite the opposite in fact.
Mar 29, 2014 @ 18:24 CST
wow u r so tensei, no one else is as smart as u
That one quote definitely explains this whole page of analytic and endless comments of discussion.
Mar 29, 2014 @ 18:29 CST
I loved how he said “wishes” instead of “witches” LOLOLOL.
So in answer to the anon, no, your quote doesn’t sound familiar.
Apr 10, 2014 @ 11:24 CST
So it is intentionally a bad movie? How is this a good thing? You were trolled and you like it? Why? Even if it’s true, then I still don’t know why should be happy about this?
Mar 30, 2014 @ 21:00 CST
Like someone else said the movie does fanservice for 30 minutes. The audience, and Homura (who we follow for the most part) knows there is something wrong? Why bother with the charades, and have Homura play along when she could have investigated like she did earlier and bring the story forward faster? To show that this is Homura’s dream. The one she wants for herself. That even if she destroys it there is a large part of her heart that desires a world where Madoka and co. are happy and alive with her.
It’s necessary because it’s part of the proof that Homura is unstable. That she is at a breaking point because she is the only person that remembers Madoka, that she is alone in the new universe made by Godoka.
The homura in the movie matches perfectly with the tv and movie versions. Her one wish as a magical girl that has never been granted is to “save Madoka.” No matter the cost or power.
Because she is her friend.
Everyone says Homura is crazy, or acting weird. It can be simplified to one sentence.
Homura loves Madoka. When you love someone you can do anything, you can become crazy. Homura did not turn into a witch because she was not stained by despair but by a love that borders on hate for the sacrifice and choice Madoka made.
Love is not logical, it does not need to make sense. Viewed through that lens and the conversations in the movie everything Homura does makes perfect sense. All the explanations of why things happened, or how they happened are in the movie. If you missed it because of the animation, or the fanservice, or anything else that is your problem not the movies. It is not perfect but it is hardly the flawed movie you guys are describing.
Mar 30, 2014 @ 21:48 CST
“The homura in the movie matches perfectly with the tv and movie versions. Her one wish as a magical girl that has never been granted is to “save Madoka.” No matter the cost or power. ”
That was definitely saving, yessirie, binding her down, deceiving her, forcing a false truth and taking over the universe is definitely saving her because she is her friend, not a crazed obsessed maniac at all.
“Love is not logical, it does not need to make sense. Viewed through that lens and the conversations in the movie everything Homura does makes perfect sense. ”
It makes sense because it doesn’t make any sense, nice logic there, bud.
You could ramble about your ethics on how Love is supposed to be, but that doesn’t improve the quality of this film regardless.
Apr 1, 2014 @ 19:09 CST
I think everyone saying that the movie was a “wreck” is ridiculous. Anyone who has seen the anime, and has also read the manga (The Different Story) should easily see why this movie is what it is. It is explained in the movie why Sayaka and Nagisa appear, both were a piece of Madoka while she was the Law of Cycle. They tried to collect Homura, because Madoka knew Homura was going to despair (she was able to see all timelines, past, present, and future after she became a Goddess). Kyubey was acting cute in order to observe Madoka, and get close to her (Nagisa growled at him as Bebe in an earlier scene as a warning). Homura’s love bordered obsession, and it can be said she did what she did to Madoka because she believed Madoka was upset as a Goddess (this is proof in the movie when Madoka states she would never go anywhere far that would make any of her friends and family sad). This movie had 1 transformation sequence, ITS A MAGICAL GIRL ANIME. GET. OVER. IT. Rebellion didn’t leave any plot holes open except for the fate of Kyubey in Homura’s world.
Apr 1, 2014 @ 21:45 CST
” It is explained in the movie why Sayaka and Nagisa appear, both were a piece of Madoka while she was the Law of Cycle. ”
Or maybe the author made the story that way and Nagisa was just an irrelevant embodiment of a fan-fetish.
Just because it was explained in the Movie, doesn’t mean it makes a goddamn sense in correlation with the series.
“Kyubey was acting cute in order to observe Madoka, and get close to her”
That wasn’t the problem, we all knew that, it’s the fact that he was blatantly scheming for an evil plot, while in the series, he was barely plotting anything at all, he was just doing his job.
“Homura’s love bordered obsession, and it can be said she did what she did to Madoka because she believed Madoka was upset as a Goddess ”
No, Madoka said that she would be happy with that outcome IN PERSON to Homura herself.
Face it, Homura was just a selfish obsessive bitch in this movie who wanted to have Madoka in her arms again for reasons we all know too well. Obsession.
” This movie had 1 transformation sequence, ITS A MAGICAL GIRL ANIME. GET. OVER. IT.”
And you can’t seem to understand why the Movie’s rendition of a transformation sequence is not quite in the right. This is just fanfare that happened here, extended sparkly scenes because of who knows what. The series’ transformation sequence is just fine because it wasn’t over-emphasizing itself.
I fail to see why this is
” Rebellion didn’t leave any plot holes open except for the fate of Kyubey in Homura’s world.”
Except the whole movie.
GET.OVER.IT. The Movie sucks.
Apr 10, 2014 @ 12:17 CST
“I think everyone saying that the movie was a “wreck” is ridiculous.”
No, anyone who think that it was a good movie is ridiculous. :) Ad personam, much?
“It is explained in the movie why Sayaka and Nagisa appear”
Yes, and it still sucks, since it made Sayaka’s story completely irrelevant. If Sayaka is alive – and she is – then her entire character arc, and everything that happened to her in anime is meaningless.
“Homura’s love bordered obsession, and it can be said she did what she did to Madoka because she believed Madoka was upset as a Goddess”
You see, here is why I didn’t like what they did with Homura in this movie; it made her character arc in TV series completely irrelevant! First; she was shy, sickly, weak and full of complexes. During her “crusade” to save Madoka she become badass, but at this same time she become; cold, detached – in few worlds: less human. Hoever, in the end, after she helped Madoka to become goddess, she regained her humanity – she was happier person, who could connect, talk and cooperate with people. In the end of TV series she was still a badass but at this same time she was very friendly and happy. Sorry, but you can tell a story about person, who regain her humanity and in next instalment of the franchise, take it away from her! It make no sense!
“Rebellion didn’t leave any plot holes open except for the fate of Kyubey in Homura’s world.”
Are you serious? How about something that you wrote: “she (MADOKA) was able to see all timelines, past, present, and future after she became a Goddess”. AND SHE DIDN’T SEE WHAT HOMURA WOULD DO TO HER, SHE DIDN’T KNOW HOW IT’S GOING TO END? LOL :) But, no plot holes at all! :) And remember what Madoka, wished for? “I wish to destroy all witches before they are born” – only in the end, Homura is not a witch, so what Madoka is even doing there? Her wish allowed her to travel to places when witches are being born, she literary CAN’T interact with anyone else, so how is this possible that she come to collect Homura’s soul when Akiemi is not a witch? And how about “power of love” asspull? How is this even possible, when it wasn’t possible before? Remember how Kyoko Sakura was trying to save Sayaka by using power of love and friendship? It didn’t end up well, didn’t it? ;) How Homura even know what she is capable of? We didn’t have ANY hints before that she can become super-duper powerful, so it is an nothing more than an asspull. And what about Kyubey? He NEVER before imprisoned and experimented on humans before, like he did it this movie, that’s why he invented contract, to treat us fairly. You still claim that there are no plot holes in this movie?
“ITS A MAGICAL GIRL ANIME. GET. OVER. IT.”
OK, show me those same transformations in original anime and I will admit that you are right. Can you do this?
Sorry, this movie sucked, and this is not a matter of taste – it was objectively bad because it have messy, badly written script and it completely ruined everything that comes before. I’m very disappointed with Urobuchi-san – I know that he can write better script. :(
Apr 22, 2014 @ 4:26 CST
I’m coming into this having seen the series wholly once, the first movie once, and Rebellion about a time and a half. Read this OP, but only a handful of the later comments, which did get me reconsidering how I take this flick.
So, I wanna play Akuma’s Advocate:
That first half of the movie? Pure fanservice. Everything we never got and always guiltily hoped for was realized, and for once Madoka Magica was sort’f a “normal” magical girl anime.
…Which all felt wrong. All during it, despite enjoying the happy fun times, I couldn’t be comfortable with it. It was a little disturbing (and disorienting), because that’s just not how this world’s worked. I’m alright with that feeling.
But Charlotte? After reading about how that line from the first movie, how just maintaining their bodies consumes a magical girl’s energy, was in at least one early draft for the series, I give the benefit of the doubt whether there’s an unspoken logic to things. In-universe, I would suppose it’s Nagisa’s regrets for, through multiple timelines, being the death of Mami. I can accept her presence from that standpoint, and for providing companionship to Mami, which is lost on the temp-reset Madoka and Kyouko-focused Sayaka. For being “Bebe”, that’s her only form that Homura would recognize. “Bebe”‘s antics, I’ll leave up to taste.
Homura’s mulling over what’s the cause of this audience-disorienting world is sort’f drawn out, since we as movie-goers wouldn’t accept Charlotte or Oktavia as the source, so we’ve already ruled out what the character’s just then contemplating. But, maybe this portion was for, aside from fillers (battles & bus rides!), seeing Homura snapping back into form.
But then there’s Homura’s condition. As said, I’ven’t watched the second movie quite yet, but from the series, I was under an impression that Homura outlasted the others, and if her setup for Madoka at the end’s to go by, then Homura only lasted a few years before cracking. This was my most immediate disgruntlement with Rebellion, since Homura had not only been fortified from having to keep it together for who knows how many resets, but had assurance from Ultimate Madoka herself. That kind of connection (read: naked space hugs?) would surely give you a peace of mind, even if you’re living in a world apart from your memories. I won’t say it can’t be made to work, but I haven’t been sold yet, and haven’t the drive yet to rationalize it.
However she got to the breaking point, we then have teh Coobiez. My immediate reactions included knowing that Homura’s breakdown of the world of witches set this whole thing up. It’s from here that I’d defend how Kyubey’s handled in Rebellion.
Kyubey has, for thousands of years, regarded dealing with humans as a give and take, balancing how much detail is divulged with past experiences of human reactions. You say Kyubey’s not evil, at most inconsiderate, but I’d say it’s definitely manipulative. While it doesn’t force a girl into a contract, it still understands enough that humans freak out, so it (eh, I’ll use “he” for clarisity, here out), so plays off of the girls thinking they have a good enough bead on the conditions of the contract, so they will accept it as their own choice when facing the consequences. How many would still agree, if they knew death by witch, either to or as, is the only result, sooner or later? Kyubey needed to maintain his cycle, and that included underhanded tactics.
Imprisoning Homura immediately seems a violation of Kyubey’s methods (convince by any means necessary, both pre- and post-contract), I’m assuming Homura was imprisoned on the very cusp of her Grief Seed’s birth. Since witches are hunted as if non-persons, I could accept Kyubey intervening at the very end to maintain her Soul Gem. But, I’ve just realized while typing I’ve skipped a strong point: Kyubey only knows of witches as Homura told him. So, imprisoning her right before the Law of Cycles kicked in looks even worse for Kyubey’s characterization.
So the scene is: Homura’s almost at her end, Kyubey was told this is when grief would replace hope and a “witch” is born, the “Law of Cycles” is set to cause Homura’s disappearance, and Kyubey knows Homura refers to it as “Madoka”.
In Kyubey’s grand exposition, he says that the witch scenario would be better than the wraith one, so calculation was put into this pursuit. Obviously, there’s interest in getting the highest yield, and Kyubey’s known to see a hierarchy of priorities, regarding humans as humans regard livestock. Above all else, humans are a means to an end, and if that end is better served by the witch scenario, then measures will be taken to achieve it. Of all magical girls, Homura is the only one to regard the Law of Cycles differently, and personally.
The conditions are right for Kyubey: The magical girl who proposes a definition to the Law of Cycles is ready to be taken by it. Kyubey admits later that the end-goal was controlling the Law, optimizing their gains, but the initial intent was observation, to understand what the Law is. Madoka, however, was absolutely nothing special, and in observing personally, Kyubey was as unassuming as possible. I would rationalize this as, if nothing else, an attempt to maintain expectations (his presence) without directing events for Homura’s labyrinth (note that even Homura, while recovering her memories, addressed Charlotte and Sayaka/Oktavia before considering Kyubey).
I will agree that Kyubey’s desperation during Homulilly’s self-destruction can feel off, since he could just seal the next girl, but I doubt it would’ve worked as well for observing the Law/Madoka. No one else alive remembers her, so she wouldn’t have a place in their labyrinths. And as much as Kyubey was caught off-guard by Sayaka and Nagisa’s memory-hold gambit (which, c’mon, how could he not’ve been more suspicious of those two, considering they must’ve been known to’ve died and weren’t like the labyrinth natives?), both sides would know better if Kyubey lost his hold here.
So, just as he’s learned to appeal to human logic/fallacies, he scrambled to appease Homura, to allow the Law to go into effect. Failing that, he broke guise to get Madoka back into gear. That failed, his seal got broken, and a whole lotta his bodies got arrow’d. All in all, I think the weakest element of Kyubey’s role was being present as a typical mascot. But, heck, if he hadn’t gone in, would the children have just taken one in themselves?
But now, it’s Homura’s turn. There’s one rationalization I’m compelled to make for her: If she hadn’t displaced Madoka from the Law of Cycles, Kyubey could have attempted imprisonment again. The way the movie plays things off, it’s a combination of Homura wanting a life with Madoka in the real world and reset-Madoka admitting she wouldn’t want to have given up such a life, so my rationalization looks to mean little, but I’d say it all compounds with the “this is for the best” vibe. Even though Madoka was fulfilled by her wish, that flower field scene reinforces the “unfair” nature of things, so Homura literally took matters into her own hands to be sure that, for her and for Madoka, the world would play nice. Too bad she doesn’t have the firmest grip.
As for getting to that level, I’d think that, like the timelines resets piling up a karmic focus around Madoka, Homura’s bewitched Soul Gem piled up, too. While Madoka was a focus of hope, Homura’s “Grief Gem” was more downer. Homura was prepared to wreck herself up just to make sure the seal wouldn’t get Madoka, bringing her self-sacrificial mentality to the breaking point her Gem’s been at for the whole movie. That much grief and despair, fueled by obsessive love… I could see that being reality-cracking. Love resulted in Madoka’s potential, and love resulted in Homura’s.
So the last loose end to cap off this wall-o’-text, something that now I see as a plot hole: Ultimate Madoka’s oblivion of Homura’s rebellion. Madoka herself said she’d seen everything that has, shall, and could have been. What I’ll run with for now, if at all, is that her omniscience only applies to the universe. If, as the Law of Cycles, she’s beyond the universe, then perhaps she doesn’t know how things will play out for herself (does she even experience “time” in her self-realm?). But then, Akuma Homura’s labyrinth-verse IS a part of the universe, but then I could toss out that since it stemmed from an out-of-universe event, it wasn’t accounted for, or Madoka’s separation from the Law disrupts that awareness (which then might be countered with foreknowing that something’s amiss, like how you know you’re forgotten something). This one’s sprung on me just tonight, but (“but, but, but”…) since Rebellion obviously sets itself for a follow-up, this could be rectified, or at least addressed, satisfactorily or not.
As said at the start of the blog, Rebellion’s a decent movie on its own, and if nothing else, I’ve had fun seeing fan reactions to it, playing with the new elements, just as much as the elements from the original series and movies. There’s be a certain irony if Rebellion’s follow-up is as pandering to Rebellion fans as Rebellion was to the series/movies, but since the series is its own contained manifestation technically separate from the movies’ continuity, I’m fine with its existence by itself. Better than shoehorning the Star Wars prequels into the original trilogy more and more with each release, at least.
tl;dr – I can enjoy Rebellion because, technically, it only ruins the Madoka Movies, and I can consider them separately from the twelve-episode series that started this whole craze.
(I’m welcome to rebuttal and criticism, if anyone’s here to care to. This is, at its most basic, “just” an anime, and I’m not so devout as to avoid the entertainment of seeing it all in different ways. Hell, I’m likely to groan at myself here down the road.)
May 17, 2014 @ 22:12 CST
You won the internet sir, my thoughts exactly
May 17, 2014 @ 22:43 CST
I think separating the films and the TV series is a very good view, and it makes a fair amount of sense. It doesn’t alleviate Rebellion for what it is at all, but it protects the integrity of the original story at least.
Jun 1, 2014 @ 16:51 CST
Although you certainly make some valid points, I have to disagree with separating the movie from the tv series, for the single fact that this movie IS a sequel to the series (not the movies, since the movies are just a “remake” of the series), if it weren’t related whatsoever to the series it wouldn’t even have any references from them, let alone pretend to be a sequel.
That’s mostly delusional thinking, it’s like saying Resident Evil Degeneration & Damnation has no relaton to the videogames at all (I can certainly agree on the Hollywood films since it hardly makes any references to the actual games storyline).
All in all this movie is nothing but fanservice, the plot is superfluous, it feels like completely ripped off from fanfiction, and I’ve seen fanfics with much more compelling plots than this movie.
I’ve heard there are plans for sequelizing the movie not with another movie, but with a full series, so there you have it, up to this point they are just milking the franchise, and if people watch the “continuation”, it won’t be for the storyline, but rather for the fanservice.
Madoka Magica gave all that it could, the producers need to realize they need to stop and put Madoka Magica an end, no more “sequels” or any form of continuity, specially NOT a full series. If anything they can make a 3rd LAST movie that ties all things to an end.
Jul 31, 2014 @ 7:25 CST
I’ll have to disagree with pretty much everything in this post.
One thing, the character development. The character development didn’t suffer at all, really. The movie takes place inside Homura’s witch barrier, where the memories of Mami, Kyoko and Madoka and conveniently erased. Kyoko’s usual lone-wolf demeanour is lost in this movie, because it’s as though her father didn’t murder his wife and daughter and then commit suicide, although needless to say, those events DID happen. Kyoko forgets about what had happened to her family, and can’t really even remember why she’s at Mitakihara City.
As for Bebe, such cutesy moments were used to heighten up the creepiness of the fact that Bebe was/is a witch- Charlotte- which fans will most likely remember as the one beheading Mami in episode 3.
Moving onto Kyubey, Kyubey was basically awaiting the right moment to control Madoka, and therefore didn’t speak, instead using “Kyu kyu”.
I can’t deny that the movie had its share of fanservice, but the plot in this seemed well written as a continuation of the Madoka Magica series. The movie seems to delve deep within Homura, and explore her selfish/selfless nature. Think about it- Homura originally wishing to go back in time to protect and save Madoka, and then Madoka erasing herself from existence. I suppose Homura would have gotten lonely, that and if you think about it, Homura never wanted Madoka to be a magical girl once learning of the cruel fate of being one. She pushed her ideals onto Madoka, telling her to not contract with Kyubey. And then “boom!” she’s gone. Madoka now as a god, she truly was happy being one, even if she ceased to exist. Homura, however, failed to grasp this, and that scene in Rebellion, the flower field scene with Madoka and Homura talking, is probably the turning point for Homura, and she realises that Madoka wouldn’t be happy being away from her friends. Though that Madoka certainly is REAL, it’s a brainwashed one, one with altered memories, one that doesn’t know of the events that occurred in the anime series.
So when Kyubey’s plan is finally revealed, I think it makes sense to say that Homura did the right thing. But you have to take into account that Homura, in her soul gem, is a witch, and that when Madoka descended down to take her away to the Law of Cycles, Homura stripped Madoka of her power to prevent Kyubey from interfering with her.
The ending may not please all- heck, it didn’t satisfy me at the time- but the ending is a rather interesting one, and needless to say, I’m looking forward to the sequel. (I wasn’t able to talk about everything discussed in this post, but ah well.)
Jul 31, 2014 @ 8:46 CST
“One thing, the character development. The character development didn’t suffer at all, really. The movie takes place inside Homura’s witch barrier, where the memories of Mami, Kyoko and Madoka and conveniently erased. ”
One thing, everyone already knows. Just because the plot says it so you act like it’s some sort of bible that you can’t defy.
“As for Bebe, such cutesy moments were used to heighten up the creepiness of the fact that Bebe was/is a witch- Charlotte- which fans will most likely remember as the one beheading Mami in episode 3.”
Something quite subjective. looking at it from a sane person’s POV, she was nothing but a character that served little purpose but to satisfy that part of the fanbase weirdly pairing up Mami and the witch that ate her head.
tl;dr: She didn’t fit in.
“I can’t deny that the movie had its share of fanservice, but the plot in this seemed well written as a continuation of the Madoka Magica series.”
“Homura, however, failed to grasp this,”
It wasn’t. Homura was crazy, defied her most precious one and ended up hurting the one that protected her in the first place.
The ending of the series had her moving on and looking towards the future, fighting for Madoka’s sacrifice.
The whole plot was just one big excuse for fanservice, attacking every possible trope the fans have created, from SayaKyoko pairing, to an inexplicable return of Sayaka.
So yeah.
” Homura stripped Madoka of her power to prevent Kyubey from interfering with her.”
If you even watched the movie, the problem was already solved, and then she decided to go obsessive apeshit.
“Moving onto Kyubey, Kyubey was basically awaiting the right moment to control Madoka, and therefore didn’t speak, instead using “Kyu kyu”.”
If you even read anything in this post, you would have known that that’s what’s exactly wrong. Kyubey is neither evil or good. Him plotting something intentionally evil while keeping up a front isn’t him, rather something satisfying the fanbase that he is evil.
“(I wasn’t able to talk about everything discussed in this post, but ah well.)”
You don’t seem to understand either.
Aug 14, 2014 @ 2:52 CST
You know what’s worse than a bad movie? Apologetics for a bad movie! “Rebellion” is one of the worst continuations, I’ve ever seen in my life – and this includes such masterpieces like “Highlander II: The Quickening”, “Batman&Robin” etc. – and it’s really funy how fanboys/fangirls try to defend it. Plot holes, fanservice, out of character behaviour, pointless scenes and characters, ruination of narrative and theme of oryginal anime, milking the franchise… How is this a good thing? Yes, it’s just like “Mass Effect 3″ ending, only worse – at least ME 3 really was ending, not some stupid cliffhanger.
I especially love how people on wikipedia, try to defend nonsensical ending of “Rebellion”. You see – they say – Madoka’s omniscience was directly linked to her omnipresence, so she couldn’t see what’s going to happen inside Kubey’s isolation field! Even if this was true – and honestly, I never seen any evidence that Madoka’s omniscience was in any way connected to her omnipresence – then you still have to admit that… Homura captured Madoka OUTSIDE of isolation field, that’s why Madokami could appear, whereas before, inside field, it was impossible! So, no matter how you slice it; she should still know what was going to happen in the end, she should know the outcome even before she head out to rescue Homura! And what’s even more funny: Madoka wish was to destroy all witches before they were born, she literary can’t interact with anyone else… only in the end Homura is not a witch, so Madoka shouldn’t be able to come for her! But this movie clearly is a masterpiece – even though it make no sense! ;)
And narratively, nothing was achieved in “Rebellion”. Think about this: in the beginning of the movie we have amnesiac Madoka being trapped in Homura’s “ideal” world, and in the end we have… amnesiac Madoka being trapped in Homura’s “ideal” world! We have almost exactly this same setup, so what was the point? Only thing that really changed was the jail keeper – now it’s Homura, instead of Kubey. So, again what was the point of this movie? Don’t you think that if they really wanted to make next season, they should slowly revel the mystery behind Homura’s “ideal” world -as they did with soul gems and magical girls=witches in oryginal anime – instead of spelling the beans that Homura is a big bad?
As for continuation… For what purpose? Just to torture the characters and kill them off all over again? been there done that.
Sep 18, 2014 @ 21:41 CST
I overall, enjoyed the movie. I thought it was kind of cryptical at first, and I had to watch it again to fully understand it. I think pretty much everything that happened there was justified. After the explanation, pretty much everything about the movie makes sense. Everything but Homura’s last moment transformation into ‘Akuma’. This is the way I see it; Homura transcended her fate as a witch, since Madoka actually saved her from her state, but she spent too much time inside of her barrier, transforming into a witch, that Madoka didn’t make it in time to fully avoid Homura’s transformation, and she became something even more powerful than a witch, something that was able to take a ‘portion’ of Madoka’s power and rewrite an universe where she actually exists. The main problem is that, it is not explained, and came out of nowhere, as if it was some crappy sudden ending of a fanfiction on the internet. Well, as this movie is FULL of fanservice, it does not surprise me.
That’s the other thing that bothers me A LOT about Rebellion. Gosh, did they actually had to put that much ‘subtle’ yuri context in it? It doesn’t bother me with Madoka and Homura, since it was pretty much developed in the anime, but… Kyoko and Sayaka? Why? I mean, the thing that bothers me about them is that they’re trying to make it cannon, and only because of the fans. After gaining so much supporters, and after Rebellion, Madoka Magica has become extremely commercial. And that’s disgusting. Stressful also. Because this came out as first as an almost non-commercial anime, and it became one of the most awfully commercial products in the world. It sucks, it simply sucks and it frustrates me so, that I almost end up hating Madoka’s characters. My God, it has so very well developed characters and with this fan service pull out, they ruin a little bit of the its original spirit. Come on, the ‘Kyosaya’ isn’t even that real, they’re trying to make it cannon while their characters aren’t even compatible. It really sucks.