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“The Name Of Tsunderes Is Defiled!”

Feb 6, 2012 @ 5:44 CDT

Otaku extremists of a think tank known as 2chan were in a heated debate over tsunderes as an otaku has decided that the name of tsunderes everywhere have been defiled by violent female characters.

An otaku initiated the verbal war with a statement, “Although it is hard to believe now, but many of the tsunderes of the past did not resort to violence”.

These strong words were followed up by a mentioning of how the the tsundere originally was a female quite kind – not a “violent and unreasonable woman” as they are now. Continuing, the otaku went on to say that tsunderes have lost their “compassion and gentleness”, taking up force instead – and stating to have lost confidence in the term “tsundere” as these bloodthirsty females of the second dimension, more properly classified as “tsungires”, have entirely “defiled the name of tsunderes!”

Now whilst technical terms in respect to the otaku lifestyle are highly controversial topics to discuss, one might wonder what is a “tsungire” so allow us to define it – a “tsungire” is a female who acts cold, and basically, any wrong move will incite her wrath. That is, assuming you fail to first find her “dere” side, or something which we’ll just sum up as the “cute aspect” of the female in question. Admittedly, this does sound quite familiar a description for a handful of supposed “tsunderes”.

Yet for the sake of proper comparison one must define tsundere as well – a subject which is partially related to what is being debated here to begin with. As many of us may know, the term has been transforming from one to describe a girl who has a change in heart, to one who simply is dishonest with herself (cue rage of disagreement).

And for a fair consideration of what’s what, one must also take into account at least some of the more recognized offending parties, or “violent tsunderes”:

- Isurugi Mio
- Misaka Mikoto
- Aisaka Taiga
- Kousaka Kirino
- Louise Francoise

However with all this in mind, it would come down to how does one defines “violence” as well – everything is ultimately no more than what people choose to view it as, and here is where otaku become split in their perspective. Some say “violence is violence”, whilst others believe this tsundere enacted “violence” is merely a playful expression of admiration or an attempt to hide other, more pleasant emotions.

A word changing in meaning over time is a common occurrence – and mainly what will decide its true definition is how people use it, as well as in relation to what. At this point, it would take an unworldly power to eradicate say for example, the tsundere status of the unbelievably cute little sister known by otaku everywhere, Kousaka Kirino.


  • Let’s get back to fundamentals here.

    A tsundere is, by nature, one who possesses two distinct sides to their personality:

    1.) First up is the much-regarded “Tsun Tsun” side, whereby a tsundere displays a very cold and/or even hostile approach, thereby making it very difficult to determine what they’re really thinking and/or feeling.

    2.) Second is the “Dere Dere” side, also known as being lovey-dovey. Here we find the tsundere discarding the proverbial shell known as the TT and engaging in a far more emotionally invested manner. Many regard this as being the ultimate goal to achieve when confronting a tsundere.

    Now, with respect to the aforementioned otaku’s point in that tsunderes have become far more physically violent than they were even a few ago, I actually find this to be quite a valid point. What was once, by far and large, a largely emotional character has taken up the mantel of male dominance through power and force in order to protect themselves as they perceive it necessary.

    That have been said however, I still partially disagree in that the tsundere itself has been defiled. Whether in the context of being emotionally reclusive – or in other words, a tsundere giving the cold shoulder – or being outright physically violent, both can be perceived as means of rejecting something and/or someone.

    So, rather than the tsundere having been outright defiled, I believe its initial characterization has been expanded in the minds of people to create an offset that we’re still coming to terms with, and one that may well deserve a name all its own – though I personally am still wavering on whether the already aptly named “tsungire” is entirely appropriate.

  • lurrdoc says:

    Remember when the best ecchi you used to get back in the animes in the 80′s was breast cleavage? Now we have full blown tits thanks to Highschool DxD. Agreed, Ryan, I don’t think it’s been defiled, it’s only changed.

    • Seven says:

      I concur with you both – change is a natural occurrence, yet this does not exempt the fact that a “tsundere” now is what would have been one in the past. The creation of a new term has been hotly debated for a lengthy time – however it is generally agreed that what we believe is a modern day tsundere, like Aisaka Taiga, no matter how violent, sure enough is a tsundere.

    • One of the real problems I’ve had with tsunderes as of the late is the focus on physical violence and the degrees to which producers and even writers will go to, at least attempt, be creative in how they approach it (No disrespect to the departed Akinari Matsuno, but here’s looking at you, MM!)

      I mean, you watch the series and it doesn’t take long for you to get into an episode wondering, “Alright, so how’s Taro going to get the living hell beaten out of him today?”

      The story, which started off great for the first four episodes, then isn’t even so much about the tsundere herself, but a race to see how much longer you can hold your viewers’ attention with the increasingly random and uninteresting pains inflicted upon the protagonist.

      And, really, when you think about it, MM! is a fantastic example of the progression of tsundere as a character. She starts off great, interesting and fun to watch, and then slowly descends into being not so much a character, but a plot device to push the story forward into whatever direction you want.

      Then, by the end of it, you’re sitting back in your chair wondering, “…Alright, they had this great thing going and turned it into… this??”

      That spectacular beginning is still there, except now it’s burdened with the proverbial weight of what wasn’t the action of a single person(s), but an industry desperate to keep its viewers’ attentions, no matter the sacrifice.

      Cue, outrage and debate.

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